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starts now greetings bonjour hola

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welcome oh this is the live truth

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network my name is art web I'm your host

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for this week we look at chu funders

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calm and everything that is paranormal

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good it is about light here and as

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always I'm joined by the CEO and founder

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of truth lenders calm his name is mark

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schwartz and market is such a pleasantry

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to be joined by you on this particular

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live episode of truth finders here on

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irn no quite isn't it guys joyous

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occasion said it's a reunion of sorts

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that I just look forward to on a weekly

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basis it is you know I look forward to

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speaking with you as well our time

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always looking forward to speaking with

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the guests too we have uh I always had

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wait hold on i want to tell you I won't

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tell you a brief story here very quick

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go for it if you remember a couple weeks

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ago we had a Holley on the show from her

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Heidi was her name rather not yeah Heidi

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very difficult to remember when it's

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heidi hollis you could easily see where

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i could get Holly out of those two but I

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digress yes I digress uh after we did

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that episode with her she reached out if

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you remember and um we had talked

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further off the show you know kind of

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offline about the sleep sleep paralysis

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and sleep study stuff that we were

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talking about their that episode what

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did she do so she wrote to us you know

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um because we both had some crazy dreams

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right what is she

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doing right now what is it what she

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actually said so what she's working with

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a production company that is involved in

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putting together a new television show

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about people with sleeping problems such

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as myself that sleepwalker talk in their

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sleep and it's not the other thing so i

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actually just this past week did an

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interview with the production company

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that is putting together this television

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show and i might be featured on one of

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their episodes in discussing it so

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that's kind of a cool development to

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have come from a guest here we've had on

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truth feathers I wanted something to

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mention that and say thank you to Heidi

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house for hooking me up with that maybe

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I you know they might hook me up I

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getting my own home to some kind of

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sleep study and some notes who knows

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what might be able to get to the bottom

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of some of this so I'll kids so what was

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the long what was the interview like did

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they just you know which is a

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conversation really a lot of basic

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kinds of things i regularly suffer from

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and what you know the kinds of things

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like me literally in my sleep getting up

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and driving to like get food and waking

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up halfway through their coming home

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yeah so so for the audience that doesn't

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know what happened like it tell us a

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couple of stories about you and your

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crazy sleep disorder I suppose why the

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sofa I guess the most extreme of is

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in the morning at some point and I in my

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sleep decided that I needed to go pick

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up some food from del taco because my

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wife so talking fast food restaurant

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here in Southern California and I in my

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sleep my wife had asked me to go pick up

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del taco and I was like two German I'm I

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up there no memory bus but apparently I

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got my keys I went down to my car and

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she was none the wiser she thought I was

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to go get del taco it was just you know

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necessarily she was like whatever go

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ahead and go and I didn't wake up until

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I woke up and I went what the hell am I

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doing here and it was probably sisters

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things so you really slept like you woke

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up and you were on the road alright woke

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up and I was and you could have killed

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somebody hit allroad yourself I could've

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I had already arrived at the drive-thru

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like it was you know and I I do this on

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a regular basis I don't get out in car

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drive and that's every time that's ever

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happened but I do get up and walk around

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and you know I don't have any memory of

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any of this so this is something that

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we've been discussing wanting to get me

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involved with some kind of sleep study

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for a while just to see like what this

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coming from and and it looks like we

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might be able to get some help you know

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as a result of this television show so

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we'll see what happens well that's great

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and then um you know so so does how do

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of view or is it just and we definitely

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in as a matter of fact during the skype

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interview we definitely discussed some

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of the more paranormal aspects that we

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with Heidi such as the the secret war

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whatever it's going on in our sleep I

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don't know if you remember that was so

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yeah it worked yeah so that definitely

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came up in the skype interview and I was

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like look that could be the case I mean

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there's examples of times where my wife

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has told me that we have you know I've

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been asleep and I've been discussing

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like robotics with her like very

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detailed things about robotics that I

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personally in no way shape or form could

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have any knowledge of because I just

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don't know math and she said I was you

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know things have scared almost scared

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heard that they were so specific and

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detailed about like mathematics and

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robotics so who knows I couldn't tell

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you I wish I could but I can't so maybe

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that's that's great and I think we'll

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probably get hottie back on the show to

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this in a few weeks um and you know

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show is that Eli Donnelly who has his

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invited you and I art to be guests on

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his show in about I think it's the end

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of this month maybe two weeks two weeks

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from now so we're going to be on Eli

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show and we'll let everybody know when

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that's on so if you can't get enough of

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us on the inception radio network which

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has all sorts of great shows you can

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also listen to us over there being

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interviewed because usually were the

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ones doing the interview it's kind of

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fun when the tables are turned and were

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inception radio network and his name is

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professor Eric Williams and and I'm

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gonna tell you a little bit about Eric

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show if you've listened to the show oh

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maybe it was um oh I can hear blinker

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I'm in the car right now I'm on your

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mobile office I'm I'm remotely

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broadcasting a shower edged yeah I've

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download you about this blinker cuz it's

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illegal to not use the blinker but yeah

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also we distract me on there so watch

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this I'll do a whole lot watch this you

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keep talking I'm gonna meet the mic

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alright sounds great so yeah so Erica

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so it's it's kind of neat because in

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that time eric has gotten really into

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the paranormal and he has created a show

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with inception radio network he got

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together with them and he started

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something very very cool called

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psychologies outer limits and it's

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sunday nights at 7pm on the inception

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radio network so Eric Williams is a

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full-time professor of psychology he's a

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family man and imaginative Explorer he

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was an army brat in Eric was uprooted

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from Europe during his early adolescent

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years to face the cultural shock of East

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northeast it was during that time that

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Eric cultivated his interest in

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deciphering the human psyche professor

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erik has earned a ba psychology at the

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University of Maryland ma experimental

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psychology hood college and ms

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counseling and McDaniels college eric

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guidance to those in need and to the

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curious mind his love of new technology

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fiction to push boundaries beyond

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our limits and that's a little bit about

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Eric and you know also when I bring

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Eragon on the show which I'll do in just

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about five seconds I'm hoping we can

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talk a little bit art about all the

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stuff that you're going through with

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your crazy dreams and stuff going on in

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your mind because it would be great to

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have a psychological point of view from

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a professor himself so without further

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ado Eric how are you doing today Eric

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are you there I'm doing yeah I'm here

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all right hello re there hello mark Hey

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oh yeah well I'm on the East Coast I'm

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you're three hours behind me so or in

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front of me i should say i would i was

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listening to our talk about sleepwalking

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and and i'm glad that i can talk about

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that for a moment we we have two kinds

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of things we can do when we're

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technically you know asleep we can dream

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when we're dream were barely asleep you

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know right now when we're wide awake and

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our brains are going on at miles an hour

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where our brain is and what we call them

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they're making beta waves are pretty

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busy and as we get drowsy they make

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alpha waves and as we just just fall off

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to sleep we make theta waves theta 1 and

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dreaming because and we know one way you

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when they wake up you know what happened

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wait which is called REM sleep rapid eye

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movement because your eyes move in REM

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sleep voluntary muscle movement is

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turned off otherwise you would act out

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your dream and your bed so if you were

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dreamed if you were dreaming you were

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fighting or doing something active you

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would really thrash your poor partner so

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far is that why we have

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sleep paralysis are we in the deep REM

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sleep and suddenly wake up and we wake

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up in the middle of that cycle REM sleep

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is light sleep and you wake up a little

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too soon and you're waiting for your

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involuntary muscle movements to come on

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it may seem like you're in that state

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for a long time but it's usually very

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brief well the thing about my particular

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case is that I am the type of person

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that where I I don't ever ever recollect

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any of my dreams and like the stuff that

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I that I experienced 0 recollection of I

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mean zero percent of the time there's

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never one hard percent of time I do not

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remember anything and the other thing is

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that when I do fall asleep like it is

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well within I mean I lay my head down on

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a pillow and I out in less than 60

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seconds I could fall asleep very quickly

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and what happens is I i stumbled into

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this very very very deep state and I

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don't go through the absent flows of the

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normal sleep cycle where you kind of go

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up and then you go down into red and you

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come up and you kind of go back down I

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go down and then I stayed deeply down

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and I don't come back well that's where

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the sleepwalking that's where the

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sleepwalking occurs and our deepest

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sleep dealt the wave and one of the

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reasons you can tell is that and delta

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waves sleep you can move your arms and

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legs so somebody's up and walking around

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we know they're not dreaming that you

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know that they're sleepwalking and and

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you can talk and you can do fairly

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complicated behaviors it's fairly

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unusual on adults so anyway and you were

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mentioning earlier that you know there

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could be a paranormal explanation so I

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wanted to chime in with the you know

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these deal yeah the alternative

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explanation is that it's simply

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sleepwalking everybody dreams but we

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don't really have a mechanism to move

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dreams into long-term memory unless they

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were particularly interesting dreams you

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might recall those so who knows why

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you're sleepwalking but we do know that

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you're doing it from the very deepest

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sleep delta way then you're not dreaming

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interesting well thanks for thanks for

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your perspective on that now let's talk

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a little bit about the reason you're

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here and mark i'll let you

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food fighters project a little bit and

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kind of a update everyone on what what

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we have to say about that is Mark there

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mark sometimes likes to just disappear I

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am I am oh yeah okay yeah well you know

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I want one of the things one of the

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reasons I wanted to bring you on today

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eric is I mean we can we can talk about

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all sorts of amazing wonderful things

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specifically about the paranormal but

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you have a brand new show that's on and

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so I was curious about your show and

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it's it's kind of interesting because in

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some ways and I won't take credit for

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this by any means but it is sort of a

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spin-off of truth funders where you

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started your project here and we sort of

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got got you know connected into the vibe

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and and you connected to you know MJ and

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the whole crew at inception radio after

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that so it's really cool to see you know

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the the connection of truth lenders and

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starting a project they're sort of lead

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to you reaching out everybody in and

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getting your own incredible show so um

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how do you feel about that and also you

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know can you tell us a little bit about

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your show and and some of the the topics

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that you have discussed or one of your

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favorite shows so far okay well you know

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it is a spin-off of truth funders

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because it wouldn't have happened had I

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not bumped in the truth funders and I

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didn't expecting my royalty checks at

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any time thank you as soon as we get

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mine I will send you your cut I am I you

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know I did a small project on truth

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funders and we actually got started on

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that it's a it's an ESP project it's

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based on matching people up by

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similarity but that you know that led me

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to want to talk more about psychology if

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you know to me if you blew up two

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balloons and you marked one paranormal

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and you'll marked one psychology and you

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touch them together that's where I want

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to be is at that point I want to be at

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the bleeding edge of psychology and yet

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the show that I do psychology's Outer

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Limits is not a paranoid

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mol show but we dabble in it it's a show

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with a lot of segments you know we cover

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news we cover some weird stuff we always

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cover a little bit of paranormal psych

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and then we usually have a topic you

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know for for the day like this coming

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Sunday before you guys are on we're

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going to talk about interpersonal

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attraction so my favorite show so far

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was the lumber we had a lot of people in

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the chat room we had people calling in I

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give away a prize every week if someone

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calls in they you know the first person

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to call and get surprised so that's

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that's been kinda we should do that we

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see some that truth funder schwag there

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you go um and sky has a question what

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can it mean when a person yeah let's

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give away any lucid dreams are they no

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you're not dreaming in the third person

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you're you're it's almost like if i use

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my balloon analogy again if your dream

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is a bologna then we could blow another

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balloon outside of that which is your

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consciousness and then the balloon

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inside is your dream and i recently

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myself I had a dream it wasn't a

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pleasant dream at all and towards into

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the dream i suddenly realized i was

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dreaming and i thought well this is cool

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lot of still whatever the hell I want so

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i started doing weird things in the

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dream and but that actually kind of

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ended the dream i guess it took the fun

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out of it but you you could think of it

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as in the third person but what's really

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happening is that you're starting to

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wake up and consciousness waking

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consciousness alert consciousness is

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seeping into your dream but some people

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are really good at having lucid dreams

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they work really hard at it that's my

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explanation so so you know they work

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really hard at it do you think there's

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anybody that when they say they're

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having out-of-body experiences is this

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something that that's real or is this

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for a demeaning to I think astral

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projection also

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sorry interrupting mark but after

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Jekyll's also falls into that realm as

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well I mean people say they can deal

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willingly astral astral project I guess

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would be the word and that's something

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when it's right when you're it's a

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twilight stay right when you're falling

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asleep now I might forget my own correct

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about that then I need to bone up on my

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astral plane well provided the person

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that's you know relating an incident

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like that is reliable and sometimes yeah

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okiep alarm but let's but you know some

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are you know that's that's kind of what

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I'm interested in that's kind of where

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the two balloons touch on the one hand

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we could say you're just been if we'd

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see you're saying if we had a Venn

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diagram and you you know the two circles

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come together there's that little itty

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bitty tiny section right in the middle

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that that's where you got really touch

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it's it's it's where it's where there

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could be multiple explanations for the

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same phenomena so a person could be

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having a lucid dream they could be

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having an autumn out-of-body experience

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I don't know how anyone could say that a

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person's not having an out-of-body

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experience because you know as usual we

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lack evidence which is why I call myself

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the hopeful skeptic but someone should

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start a radio show called the hopeful

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skeptic you know she is just change the

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name of your show yeah where you go

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about the hopeful skeptic corner the

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last 15 minutes of your show you know

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it's interesting and I like that you you

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know you approach things from a

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scientific perspective I mean my entire

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life of approach things from a

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scientific perspective but I've also

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witnessed and seen strange strange

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things that are bizarre that I can't

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explain have you Eric ever seen

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something that was beyond your

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explanation that you could not explain

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via science or psychology because you're

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obviously interested in the paranormal I

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mean there's a somehow you got really

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intrigued by it and I mean your shows on

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a paranormal network so so it was there

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that experience for you where something

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happened or that you saw something that

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you couldn't explain um I think the

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closest that experience I've ever had is

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that in my late teens through my 20s I

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was very

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involved in martial arts and it was a

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Korean form and you could only get tough

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a third degree black belt here and then

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you either had to go to Korea or they

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had to come here and they have these

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monks come here once in a while and

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these guys were they were at the top

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they were 14 degree black belts and they

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were like a hundred and fifty years old

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and they did things that defied physics

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and defied explanation and you know I

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150 years old 150 no no no I'm just

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kidding ok rock they were probably in

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their 80 they were proudly in there at

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eight 80s little tiny guys and you know

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I I never stopped thinking about how

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could they do these things these things

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defy a physiology they defy you know

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physics but some of the things we talked

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about in that particular form of martial

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arts was that there was an element of

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paranormal at a certain level that these

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mugs could do things that you know you

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simply couldn't explain unless you were

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willing to believe in the paranormal so

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that was probably my only live

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experiences when I you know I saw some

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some pretty bizarre things like what

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exactly well our studio had really tall

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ceilings like I don't know like 14 feet

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tall and these guys were like five feet

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tall at the most and they were in their

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80s and what we did one time as we glued

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a little red rubber ball on the ceiling

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okay and they could go up there and kick

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it with their foot Wow and you know I

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mean I know there are people that can

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get really good at athletics but they

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can't do that they can also slow their

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heartbeats down to ridiculous rates like

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one time every 30 seconds that sounds

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like a mind-over-matter situation which

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which is the power of the brain really

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and take and that's that's precisely

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right and say my belief is that some of

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these paranormal things we're going to

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find out we can do and and and it's not

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going to matter

540
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if the explanation is scientific or

541
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paranormal I believe ESP as possible we

542
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just got to figure it out and I've out

543
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of consciousness yeah yeah because said

544
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yeah we've locked in to add a mere

545
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percentage of what we really are capable

546
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of doing why is that kind of control so

547
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there there's actually a lot of

548
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questions coming in from the chat room

549
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so i'm gonna read them i'm gonna get to

550
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all the questions that are on their

551
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analog your question will be coming up

552
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next but first I'm gonna go out to

553
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droopy um he like to know is there a

554
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link between dreaming and future events

555
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he has dreams at time I have dreams and

556
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at times they come to fruition sometimes

557
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,160
maybe he's related to North Nostradamus

558
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that's a little side jokey put out there

559
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but um so yeah so is there you know in

560
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your study of psychology do they ever

561
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talk about or has there ever been a case

562
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recorded where someone can have a dream

563
00:23:22,910 --> 00:23:18,580
and it somehow tells the future well not

564
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reliably but here's you know some people

565
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seem to have precognition but it's never

566
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happened in a lab but there are people

567
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that we believe so you know we scratch

568
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our heads and you know we're very bound

569
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to the scientific method now there's

570
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another part of this okay the people

571
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sometimes forget that their brain is a

572
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hundred billion computers working at the

573
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same time and it's a it is an amazing

574
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computer and it can take little bits of

575
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data and and it can do really accurate

576
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predictions so it could be that all the

577
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little pieces are in there and the

578
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:03,760
prediction seems like precognition but

579
00:24:09,299 --> 00:24:05,770
it's nothing more than the brain doing

580
00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:09,309
things that we just can't understand now

581
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:12,550
that leaves the other answer that it's

582
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simply precognition and I I just simply

583
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don't know precognition is you know in

584
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the 60s and 70s was tested in the lab

585
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but they never got reliable results and

586
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as long as I see value

587
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is that what you're trying to do with

588
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your truth funders project is a little

589
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bit of of that I'm actually trying

590
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something easier I'm just trying to see

591
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if people can the can can do what we

592
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might call thought transfer look at what

593
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you know look at only five images and

594
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and they look at an image the other

595
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person writes it down so by chance we

596
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would expect twenty percent we did a

597
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mighty by my colleague and I did this

598
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this semester with a small group and and

599
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we we really only got him you know

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around the twenty percent number none of

601
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our students demonstrated any ability

602
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but that was what we were really doing

603
00:25:15,899 --> 00:25:14,470
yeah bedros they're awfully college kids

604
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and they're probably smoking tons of

605
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weed cuz i was joking you don't have

606
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work in college spoke tons of wheat I'll

607
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tell you that right now it was it was a

608
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very tiny sample it was not scientific

609
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we were what we were really doing was

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figuring out when we really run this

611
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experiment you know you know what sort

612
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of problems were going to run into so it

613
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was sort it was more of a test the

614
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students enjoyed it and students are

615
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very interested in and the paranormal

616
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and I and the care questions you asked

617
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me here I could ask in class every

618
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:51,659
semester oh I was sorry about that I

619
00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:56,230
enjoy answering them so I think art is

620
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breaking up a little bit there but

621
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there's another question that I have

622
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been ringing the in the circle aqua

623
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questions so are going you're uh you're

624
00:26:13,289 --> 00:26:10,360
breaking up a little bit but I'm gonna

625
00:26:16,169 --> 00:26:13,299
go ahead and ask this question Eric um

626
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:16,179
this is from analog in the chat room he

627
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wants to know can professor Eric

628
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elaborate on hype hype oh ok ok I'm

629
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goodness we're wrong hypno gaga

630
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experiences yeah hypnagogic um yeah that

631
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you can have a hypnagogic vision you're

632
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gonna have hypnagogic auditory as you're

633
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falling asleep some of your dream

634
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is also in your consciousness your

635
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waking consciousness again there's that

636
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little tiny area when you slip from

637
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alpha waves to theta waves and you start

638
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the dream but you can still be a tiny

639
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tiny bed awake you know how sometimes

640
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just as you're falling asleep your body

641
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jerks really hard oh yeah it's it's the

642
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same thing only those are called

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hypnagogic or hypnagogic hardware

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pronounce it truth runners radio truth

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749
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radio network I guess we have some

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connectivity issues going into the break

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there and MJ smartly and rightfully so

752
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just kind of fired off the break but

753
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:37,029
we're back now and you were just saying

754
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there's some interesting things going on

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00:32:41,299 --> 00:32:39,370
in the chat room what do you see in

756
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:41,309
there that's that's catching your eye

757
00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:44,529
well they're uh they're talking about

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00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:47,019
let's say analog hole and someone else

759
00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:51,190
was talking about AI and it reminds me

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of an article I read this week about

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some scientists that connected for rat

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brains together I read that same

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00:33:04,529 --> 00:33:00,759
articles and yeah that is an interesting

764
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,539
interesting things to have had and then

765
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I'm gonna call the friend I analog for

766
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analog colonies look they call it a

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cortical processor is because the cortex

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of your brain is the very outer part of

769
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your brain and that's where we do our

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thinking so what they do with these

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00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:19,870
organic computers is they training to

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make kind of go no-go decisions and

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where that would really be a good

774
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:26,799
application for that would be the

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military because AI software has a hard

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time looking at aircraft and determining

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they have an easy time determining of

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their friendly they have a harder time

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determine if they're unfriendly which is

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why we shot down an Iranian airliner

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once but if we use something organic

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like brains they might do better

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at making those go/no-go decisions

784
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because there's just more processing

785
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:54,500
yeah AI is really something that's um

786
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you know gonna be a fit the forefront of

787
00:34:00,160 --> 00:33:58,700
conversation here within the next few

788
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years do you talk about that much on

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your show and we'll be looking at with

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00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:04,340
that not yet but I'm going I'm going to

791
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make a note to I think it's I think it's

792
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:08,630
a great idea what are some of your

793
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thoughts on where we're going with that

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00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,880
with with it with AI yes well my first

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thought is that we have Stephen Hawking

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who doesn't like it he's afraid that

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that we're actually going to develop

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sentient robots for lack of a better

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word that are going to enslave us which

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is to me and I'm a big fan of him using

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easy there's about one of the brightest

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people on the planet but they're still

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running lines of code you know I mean

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that just code when a computer can do

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something original that will scare me

806
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:44,450
but right now it can only output a

807
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product of its inputs but when you

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connect for example for rat brains

809
00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:53,360
together you don't know what all the

810
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:55,700
inputs are so you might get an original

811
00:35:01,000 --> 00:34:57,980
output so I'm really fascinated by this

812
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:01,010
I'm yeah I know but it's scary in a lot

813
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:03,350
of ways I think too because of just the

814
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:05,180
whole conversation of what happens when

815
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:07,190
computers become self-aware and smart

816
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:09,260
ass i mean it's it's it's a conversation

817
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:11,240
we're seeing happening in Hollywood

818
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:13,460
quite a bit with movies yeah with more

819
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:15,140
so than anything lately especially with

820
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:17,330
like you know the avengers movie that

821
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,010
came out earlier this summer and there's

822
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,720
i miei is been everywhere lately in

823
00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:22,400
films it seems so it's definitely

824
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:23,420
something that's on the human

825
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,550
subconscious I dries it's being

826
00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:27,200
reflected back in our entertainment and

827
00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:28,760
it's interesting to kind of see that

828
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:30,020
happening because it is going to be the

829
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:32,990
next big conversation I think in human

830
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:34,790
ethics and what we're going as a society

831
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:37,610
you know well I think first well but

832
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:40,850
before we get too full ai and and way

833
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:42,410
before we get the sentient machines

834
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:44,420
we're going to get to human machine

835
00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:48,050
interfaces and and we have that now I

836
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,700
mean we have a people that have robot

837
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:51,440
robotic arms that they can control it

838
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:53,600
there but their brain but I'm talking

839
00:35:59,770 --> 00:35:57,590
about you know a different kind of more

840
00:36:04,030 --> 00:35:59,780
like using cortical tissue

841
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:04,040
and then inside in conjunction with the

842
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,250
computer I've seen neurons connected to

843
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:11,990
computer processors that we're learning

844
00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:13,940
to make this learning to make very

845
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:16,760
simple decisions but to me that's where

846
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:19,070
we'll go first but even that's scary

847
00:36:23,380 --> 00:36:21,320
because when you're when you're talking

848
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:23,390
about you know for example human or even

849
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,090
rat cortical tissue now you don't know

850
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:27,440
what the inputs are because you're not

851
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:29,420
writing code anymore and you're talking

852
00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:31,730
about tissue that can think things up on

853
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:34,790
its own truth funders radio on the

854
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:45,500
inception radio network and we're back

855
00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:47,960
your live on others live radio show on

856
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Radio Network my name is our web in

857
00:36:56,590 --> 00:36:54,770
discussing our current topic of a I you

858
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:56,600
know there's a lot of people that could

859
00:36:59,740 --> 00:36:58,130
come into the conversation such as Ray

860
00:37:02,020 --> 00:36:59,750
Kurzweil and stuff like I do you follow

861
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:02,030
any of his predictions and the

862
00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:03,650
synchronicity idea and all these sorts

863
00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:06,260
of things yeah i mean not i don't read

864
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:08,840
everything you write but I when I trip

865
00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:11,060
across like a long-form article I do

866
00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:14,300
because the guy is brilliant and you

867
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:18,080
know he the things he predicts tends to

868
00:37:23,260 --> 00:37:20,690
happen so he's a bit of he's a bit of a

869
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:23,270
futurist as well yeah he's a very smart

870
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:25,730
individual and I do think he's very much

871
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:28,630
so on to something with his idea of

872
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:31,010
everything exponentially becoming more

873
00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:32,980
and more and more and more as it grows

874
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:35,270
and getting us to the point there i do

875
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:37,460
think at least in my lifetime you know i

876
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:39,710
will see something to the likes of the

877
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:41,720
synchronicity where everything kind of

878
00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:43,910
the tech and the bio merged together in

879
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:45,260
such a way that it is indistinguishable

880
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:47,660
it distinguishable between the two and

881
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:50,630
that's both terrifying and exciting in a

882
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:52,760
lot of ways you know a lot of

883
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:55,640
psychologists don't do what you and i

884
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:56,900
would think of them we think of

885
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:00,140
psychology they you know for example if

886
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:03,140
you wanted to study color vision and the

887
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:07,040
human a psychologist does that and and

888
00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:09,710
this may be a guy or a woman who has no

889
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:11,480
personality at all and lives in a lab

890
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:13,390
all day long but it if it

891
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,190
has to do with perception it falls in

892
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:17,920
the realm of psychology and and and this

893
00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:21,250
this AI stuff and and and playing with

894
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:23,800
the cortex and interfacing neurons that

895
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:27,670
all falls within experimental and and

896
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:30,970
and biological psychology so it's

897
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:32,500
certainly in her field and let you know

898
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:34,450
my students are very interested in it I

899
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:37,720
try to find you know as many good

900
00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:42,250
sources as I can but we know where we're

901
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:44,980
really not even quite on the bleeding

902
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:46,900
edge of it yet though I think the

903
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:49,480
article that really impressed me the

904
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:51,730
most out of everything that I've read

905
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:54,250
and it may seem simplistic was was

906
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:56,890
wiring those for rap rains together III

907
00:39:01,380 --> 00:38:58,900
don't even have a clue how you'd start

908
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:01,390
and I used to work with rats i used to

909
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:03,100
cut their little brains out and section

910
00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:04,390
them and look at them and see what

911
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:07,060
neural pathway is a drug head and you

912
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,890
know that's working at a very gross

913
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:10,960
level i mean these guys are working at

914
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:17,230
you know individual neurons did you see

915
00:39:21,810 --> 00:39:19,690
that article recently about the guy that

916
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:21,820
was gonna have the full head transplant

917
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:23,770
on to another body it was in Russia or

918
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:27,150
something like that he he wants to do it

919
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:30,820
yeah how the hell yeah I don't that to

920
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:33,160
me is uh I mean some really psychology

921
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:34,750
basins were well from a psychological

922
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:36,670
standpoint is this guy completely nuts

923
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:38,980
really is like just question no you know

924
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:41,740
I don't think so as as long as is you

925
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:45,100
know if if you if he's going to go below

926
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:47,230
the fur you know maybe the first few

927
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:50,050
cervical vertebrae then we're dealing

928
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:53,320
with you know we're dealing with some

929
00:40:01,320 --> 00:39:56,070
large nerves which could be connected on

930
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:01,330
a lot of smaller nerves it's still a lot

931
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:06,280
but it's it's it's gonna be doable no

932
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:07,540
difference do you think this will be

933
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:09,730
something that they actually are widely

934
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:11,260
successful in achieving its putting

935
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:12,730
somebody else said on an entire

936
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:13,930
different body and there's a lot of

937
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:15,190
questions I think they come into a

938
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:16,900
question into a situation like this

939
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:20,010
because you know it it begs to ask

940
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,420
topics like the soul and things like

941
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:25,680
that I mean do you still feel your same

942
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,740
passion

943
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:28,480
in your heart if you have a new body I

944
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:30,040
mean there's so many questions to be

945
00:40:34,109 --> 00:40:31,630
brought up that I don't know where to

946
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:34,119
start my belief is that everything would

947
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:35,800
reside in your brain you just need to

948
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:38,410
get all lives up top yeah it's just like

949
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:41,710
when you get you know a an implant of

950
00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:44,710
some kind you know you're still you but

951
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:48,369
if you if you transplanted part of a

952
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:49,810
brain you know let's say that you have a

953
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:52,690
person who can't hear anymore and it's a

954
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:54,100
hundred years so now I'll were able to

955
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:56,530
transplant the temporal lobes of a

956
00:41:00,330 --> 00:40:58,330
person who just died and the someone who

957
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:00,340
needs it well now we would have some

958
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:03,730
serious philosophical questions answer

959
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:05,980
because the identity that person we

960
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:08,680
can't say it's the same anymore because

961
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:11,290
we've actually put a lobe of another

962
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,270
person's brain and the someone's pray

963
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:15,280
now how they would connect those neurons

964
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:17,770
is beyond me but you know there is one

965
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:20,230
thing that's interesting when you just

966
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:24,100
put new tissue in sometimes it just

967
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:26,230
seems to know what to do and it does it

968
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:28,390
on its own like in the case of

969
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,750
neuroplasticity if you hurt one part of

970
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:34,480
your brain other parts your brain will

971
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:37,090
start to rewire to try to help out that

972
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:40,090
part sit on those self corrects in a lot

973
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:42,850
of ways it's kind of like ants anyone

974
00:41:46,859 --> 00:41:44,890
aunt is you know obviously dumb as a

975
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,869
rock but you put a couple hundred

976
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,400
thousand together and they build these

977
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:51,280
Marvel's you know of architecture well

978
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:53,230
neurons are like that any given neuron

979
00:41:59,250 --> 00:41:57,040
can just fire or not fire and I don't

980
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:59,260
have a clue wide as it works that when

981
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,910
you I mean that's kind of what we're

982
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,800
doing right now you're not we are not a

983
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:05,760
doctor but a medical doctor but you know

984
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:09,660
what we're doing was Swift with um with

985
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:13,750
stem tissue is that is that it can

986
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:16,390
become anything so if you put it in the

987
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:18,310
right place of the brain let's put it

988
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:19,600
let's say you put it back on the

989
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:22,210
occipital region where vision is then it

990
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:25,030
will start to act like that tissue so

991
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:26,740
it's not like you have to sit there with

992
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:28,660
a soldering iron and hook up you know

993
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:31,330
500 million wires some of it it just

994
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,080
seems to know how to do so on the one

995
00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:37,119
hand I still think it's bizarrely hard

996
00:42:40,529 --> 00:42:39,940
on the other hand you know it may not be

997
00:42:45,509 --> 00:42:40,539
as

998
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:45,519
think about when they reattach a hand to

999
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:49,169
somebody you know they will reconnect um

1000
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:52,569
you know the larger nerves but you know

1001
00:42:57,569 --> 00:42:55,079
the other nerves seem to find their way

1002
00:42:59,729 --> 00:42:57,579
and I'm sure a neurologist would be all

1003
00:43:03,029 --> 00:42:59,739
over me right now but the bulk of what

1004
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:03,039
I've said is correct well I mean I'm not

1005
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:04,390
one so you're not going to hear anything

1006
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:08,049
out ha ha obviously you'd [\h__\h] know

1007
00:43:12,779 --> 00:43:09,969
far more about yeah the topic than I to

1008
00:43:15,089 --> 00:43:12,789
do and uh one of the things too that I

1009
00:43:17,009 --> 00:43:15,099
think you know and getting back to what

1010
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:17,019
we were discussing earlier with dreaming

1011
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:19,209
and lucid dreaming and different types

1012
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:21,609
of sleep waves a question that I would

1013
00:43:24,659 --> 00:43:22,900
have because I honestly don't know

1014
00:43:26,489 --> 00:43:24,669
anything about about the relation

1015
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:26,499
between these two so maybe you'd be able

1016
00:43:31,409 --> 00:43:28,089
to fill in some more information on that

1017
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:31,419
what is the relation between hypnosis in

1018
00:43:35,549 --> 00:43:34,089
dream state and is there other direct

1019
00:43:36,929 --> 00:43:35,559
connections that we can make that show

1020
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:36,939
that they are similar in any way or are

1021
00:43:41,189 --> 00:43:38,529
they two completely different states of

1022
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:41,199
mind because hypnosis has its own set of

1023
00:43:45,659 --> 00:43:44,140
powers in and abilities to do things

1024
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,669
that are far beyond anything i can

1025
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:48,400
understand at this point well you've

1026
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:50,140
actually asked a pretty controversial

1027
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:52,689
question there you know there's a fair

1028
00:43:57,419 --> 00:43:54,789
amount of psychologists that don't

1029
00:43:58,620 --> 00:43:57,429
believe that hypnosis exists at all I'm

1030
00:44:01,229 --> 00:43:58,630
not one of them i think that i think

1031
00:44:03,299 --> 00:44:01,239
that hypnosis is yeah fact very real and

1032
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,309
very powerful but we have to two

1033
00:44:08,969 --> 00:44:05,890
dimensions okay we have one dimension

1034
00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:08,979
where where we can say that hypnosis is

1035
00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:12,459
is you know real and that people are

1036
00:44:16,709 --> 00:44:14,619
either good candidates are not

1037
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,719
candidates and then we have another

1038
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:19,119
dimension where we can say the hypnosis

1039
00:44:28,919 --> 00:44:21,729
may or may not be real but our candidate

1040
00:44:32,549 --> 00:44:28,929
or a patient may or may not be the word

1041
00:44:34,979 --> 00:44:32,559
just left me ah and the one I'm looking

1042
00:44:37,799 --> 00:44:34,989
for says that that that they'll they'll

1043
00:44:40,259 --> 00:44:37,809
accept the suggestions you make now I

1044
00:44:42,269 --> 00:44:40,269
don't you know under hypnosis you won't

1045
00:44:44,489 --> 00:44:42,279
do anything that you wouldn't that you

1046
00:44:46,799 --> 00:44:44,499
didn't want to do and the movies people

1047
00:44:49,469 --> 00:44:46,809
are hypnotized and then at a at a

1048
00:44:51,739 --> 00:44:49,479
certain q they kill somebody well that

1049
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:51,749
that and you know I don't think any

1050
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:54,130
psychologist believes that

1051
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:55,569
if you weren't going to kill a person

1052
00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:56,740
then you're not going to do it on under

1053
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:58,750
hypnosis but let's say you wanted to

1054
00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:00,910
quit smoking all the word I was looking

1055
00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:03,190
for was suggestible and you're a highly

1056
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,980
suggestible candidate and then you're

1057
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:08,319
put in an extremely relaxed state where

1058
00:45:14,819 --> 00:45:12,160
you're barely awake then the noise and

1059
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,829
your brain settles down all the things

1060
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:16,079
that get in the way of quitting smoking

1061
00:45:21,539 --> 00:45:19,569
quiet down and the patient or the client

1062
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:21,549
is suggestible and then you can make

1063
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:23,740
suggestions about quitting smoking a

1064
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:29,380
great example this is my dad he saw he

1065
00:45:37,259 --> 00:45:33,730
died in 99 you know he started smoking

1066
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:37,269
when he was about 13 or 14 but in his

1067
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:40,569
mid-50s he went to saw hypnosis and now

1068
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:42,730
dad smoked two packs a day of unfiltered

1069
00:45:47,849 --> 00:45:45,490
Lucky Strikes it goes to the hypnosis

1070
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:47,859
sensation and for the rest of his life

1071
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,140
he never smokes a cigarette doesn't even

1072
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:52,480
have withdrawal symptoms so I thought

1073
00:45:57,269 --> 00:45:54,609
well that was a very suggestible

1074
00:46:00,289 --> 00:45:57,279
candidate and it worked for him no

1075
00:46:02,759 --> 00:46:00,299
kidding oh now you know I mean I quit

1076
00:46:05,999 --> 00:46:02,769
smoking about 12 years ago and it was

1077
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:06,009
awful and and yet you know he did it

1078
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:10,720
after a single session with no you know

1079
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:13,210
no discomfort but what that means is

1080
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:16,180
that he badly wanted to quit smoking so

1081
00:46:22,259 --> 00:46:19,180
if you combine suggestibility with a

1082
00:46:24,779 --> 00:46:22,269
client that wants to do a behavior well

1083
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:24,789
I would call that hypnosis but when you

1084
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:26,740
see people up on stage flapping their

1085
00:46:31,259 --> 00:46:29,470
arms like chickens that's not hypnosis I

1086
00:46:34,349 --> 00:46:31,269
mean I don't believe it is well I'm and

1087
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:34,359
I've seen people who were germaphobes go

1088
00:46:37,529 --> 00:46:35,980
under hypnosis that you know couldn't

1089
00:46:40,259 --> 00:46:37,539
shake hands and couldn't touch a

1090
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:40,269
bathroom door you know handout or

1091
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:42,190
anything like that that have gone under

1092
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:44,230
hypnosis and then been able to do such

1093
00:46:47,279 --> 00:46:45,640
things and I think you're this probably

1094
00:46:49,289 --> 00:46:47,289
comes out tues are exactly right they

1095
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:49,299
don't want to have this infliction but

1096
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:51,430
it's something that they can write then

1097
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:53,170
relax their brains down to a point where

1098
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:55,000
they're really just not focusing on

1099
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,650
what's bothering them to making them

1100
00:47:01,019 --> 00:46:58,240
move forward with the behavior so you're

1101
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:01,029
probably right in that yeah assessment

1102
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:03,460
of the whole thing I mean I used what

1103
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:05,500
people might call hypnosis and I did

1104
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:07,750
there people what I know it was was a

1105
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:10,450
very deeply relaxed state hi mark mark

1106
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,680
were there if you can hear us guess not

1107
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:16,480
we're going to throw it to a break in a

1108
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:17,890
couple minutes anyway maybe we'll be

1109
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:19,240
able to get bark back on at that point

1110
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,610
but yeah I think that the hypnosis thing

1111
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:24,160
it's it's it's exactly what you said

1112
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:26,140
it's under your design your own desire

1113
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,360
and wants to get all the clutter the

1114
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:30,160
brain activity out of the way and then

1115
00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:31,570
you know you want to lose weight you

1116
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:33,190
want to quit smoking one quick math eat

1117
00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:35,350
whatever the things that gets you to

1118
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:36,580
that point but yeah you're right you're

1119
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:37,810
not gonna see anybody shooting one

1120
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:39,730
another what about past-life regression

1121
00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:40,660
what do you think about that is that a

1122
00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:44,320
thing I i I'm just not a believer not I

1123
00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:46,600
don't think they know it's a pop I'm

1124
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:50,500
sorry I want to make people happy not

1125
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:51,970
unhappy and I feel like I make people

1126
00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:53,410
unhappy when I say I'm not a but I'm

1127
00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:55,660
just not what does it mean it doesn't

1128
00:47:59,220 --> 00:47:57,670
well you know what is late you know what

1129
00:48:01,110 --> 00:47:59,230
mate what is it makes you at this point

1130
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:01,120
in time and non-believer where how do

1131
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:03,250
these people come up under these extreme

1132
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,510
relaxed states do you think they're

1133
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:06,640
making up detailed stories or what what

1134
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:09,940
is it that you see banging hard part of

1135
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:12,430
it could part of it could be real it

1136
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:14,260
could fall under young'uns collective

1137
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:16,990
consciousness and we are and there is a

1138
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:21,490
tiny bit of evidence for for for ancient

1139
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:25,530
memories being coded in toward the na

1140
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:28,540
but you know in terms of reincarnation

1141
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:30,700
or reliving your life I guess when it

1142
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:32,650
comes down to me is that of all the

1143
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:34,570
things that we can talk about in the

1144
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:38,050
paranormal I you know I I just still

1145
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:41,500
lace them out on a for early in case

1146
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:43,270
histories we've just caught too many

1147
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:46,030
people lying yeah that's a good point

1148
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:48,010
all right well what about you a break

1149
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:50,290
here right now and we will try and get

1150
00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:52,630
mark Schwartz back on the air with us

1151
00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:54,820
here he seems to be very dedicated to

1152
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:56,860
rejoining us Eric Williams is our guest

1153
00:48:59,820 --> 00:48:58,060
you're listening to the truth funders

1154
00:49:01,620 --> 00:48:59,830
live radio show on the inception radio

1155
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:01,630
network my name is art weddin will be

1156
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:04,510
back after the truth ponders radio on

1157
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,550
the inception radio network

1158
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:10,380
we're back here live the truth feathers

1159
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,119
a live radio show you an inception radio

1160
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:14,280
network my name is art web Eric Williams

1161
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:16,290
and mark Schwartz Eric I you what your

1162
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:17,490
invention during the break we wanted to

1163
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:21,390
kind of talk about subliminal trains of

1164
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:23,070
women what did you say sorry i forgot

1165
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:24,240
the term all together but we were

1166
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:25,950
talking bout hypnosis and they i and all

1167
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:27,330
that stuff and you wanted to connect

1168
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:30,600
subliminal thoughts vs yes I things a

1169
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:34,910
subliminal uh you know subliminal

1170
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:37,380
suggestions that kind of crosses over a

1171
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,030
little bit with with hypnosis except in

1172
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,980
the case of subliminal or aren't you

1173
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,960
know our client is a large audience

1174
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,720
they're they're awake and the idea is

1175
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:51,660
that well you know perception I mean I'm

1176
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,359
sorry sensation occurs when a neuron

1177
00:49:59,420 --> 00:49:57,060
turns on or off and perception occurs

1178
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,430
when your brain makes sense out of it so

1179
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:02,040
when you know when a picture of your car

1180
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:06,240
hits your retina that's that sensation

1181
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:08,130
when your brain goes oh that's my car

1182
00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:11,790
that's perception and what you know

1183
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,470
what's been researched for a long time

1184
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:15,359
is what could we could we have

1185
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,730
perception just below the level of

1186
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:20,280
consciousness where the person doesn't

1187
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:23,510
really consciously realize that they are

1188
00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:27,150
perceiving something and again you know

1189
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,840
you have a lot of people who believe in

1190
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:33,660
those who don't believe it was tested in

1191
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:36,300
the six sorry oh yeah I was going to say

1192
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:39,510
that um like The Manchurian Candidate a

1193
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:43,470
lot it was it was that more hip hip hip

1194
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:45,510
not i think that was hypnosis and there

1195
00:50:52,070 --> 00:50:48,200
was a trigger or a cue environmental cue

1196
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,080
and yeah and so there are believers and

1197
00:50:55,099 --> 00:50:53,760
non-believers that at work said they're

1198
00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:55,109
really there are other people out there

1199
00:50:59,900 --> 00:50:57,600
that just don't believe in hypnosis and

1200
00:51:01,820 --> 00:50:59,910
things think that it it does not work

1201
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,830
there are psychologists so don't believe

1202
00:51:07,390 --> 00:51:04,260
in the kind of hypnosis that people are

1203
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:07,400
most familiar with right and why is that

1204
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,470
well one so once again what you know

1205
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,500
when when we test it in the end the lab

1206
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:16,200
we get what you know we don't get really

1207
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:19,350
great results some clients simply want

1208
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:20,940
to please the therapist

1209
00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:24,730
but people do go into a very deep deeply

1210
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:26,859
relaxed state and they are suggestible

1211
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:30,670
and wear that and we could call that

1212
00:51:34,799 --> 00:51:32,890
hypnosis I've done that in therapy with

1213
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:34,809
people where the noise level in their

1214
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:36,670
head is too loud I thought okay I'll

1215
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:38,680
just get them so relaxed or barely awake

1216
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:42,520
and then I'll talk to them and and and

1217
00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:44,770
that's not quite subliminal and it's not

1218
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:49,390
quite hypnosis but it works now back in

1219
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:53,500
the 60s that you know and the drive-in

1220
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,569
theaters you know we need about 25

1221
00:52:00,510 --> 00:51:58,240
frames per second to see smooth motion

1222
00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:00,520
and just to be sure they did everything

1223
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:03,400
at 30 so what they did at the drive-in

1224
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:05,530
movies was they took every 30th frame

1225
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:07,510
out and put in one frame that just said

1226
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:10,510
buy popcorn but the sales of popcorn

1227
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,970
didn't go up now that that proved that

1228
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:15,280
subliminal suggestion doesn't work I

1229
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:18,940
don't know because again people aren't

1230
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:20,410
going to do what they didn't want to do

1231
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:22,329
anyway if they didn't want to buy

1232
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:25,630
popping people are alive oh yeah but

1233
00:52:30,569 --> 00:52:27,700
there are ways to test to see if people

1234
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:30,579
are seeing these things are hearing

1235
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,200
these things and sometimes the results

1236
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:34,960
are pretty positive but you know a lot

1237
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,520
of the stuff you hear about the stores

1238
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,559
playing music and they have subliminal

1239
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:41,339
suggestions most of that are just myths

1240
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:44,170
so so eric is there anything out there

1241
00:52:48,299 --> 00:52:46,750
or can I call you professor I like to

1242
00:52:52,049 --> 00:52:48,309
call you professor because I feel like

1243
00:52:56,789 --> 00:52:52,059
that sounds so much oh so yeah so

1244
00:52:59,309 --> 00:52:56,799
professor is there any anything sort of

1245
00:53:01,230 --> 00:52:59,319
paranormal that you wish or that you

1246
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:01,240
believe is out there that has not been

1247
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:04,390
proven but your gut tells you that it

1248
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:07,450
exists or is that oh it's good question

1249
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:10,329
that's a great yes there is I believe

1250
00:53:17,609 --> 00:53:13,569
that thought transfer can and will exist

1251
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:17,619
what we call ESP and I I believe that

1252
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:21,490
that that will be able to move our

1253
00:53:27,809 --> 00:53:24,520
consciousness around and that might be

1254
00:53:30,329 --> 00:53:27,819
something that that is called out of

1255
00:53:32,339 --> 00:53:30,339
body experiences or astral projections

1256
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:32,349
but I don't see why our brain couldn't

1257
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:32,990
do that

1258
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:34,700
do you believe we'll be able to upload

1259
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:36,520
our consciousness onto a computer disk

1260
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:39,830
absolutely it's cuz I'd live let me a

1261
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:42,050
Big Damn disk but yes I don't see why

1262
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:43,820
week that's such a terrifying notion to

1263
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:45,260
me because it does suggest that we

1264
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:47,750
couldn't theory live on forever type to

1265
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:49,369
me personally I can't you know that's

1266
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:52,430
kind of radical statement but it is in

1267
00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:54,530
all senses award truth I can't wait to

1268
00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:56,869
die like I can't wait to have it you

1269
00:53:59,530 --> 00:53:58,310
know not necessarily like I don't want

1270
00:54:01,330 --> 00:53:59,540
to walk out the door tomorrow and be hit

1271
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:01,340
by a bus to be dead but I think that

1272
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:03,290
life is part of a journey and and there

1273
00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:04,790
was a beginning and there is an ending

1274
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:07,160
right the idea of like just never being

1275
00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:09,490
able to end it to me is terrifying I

1276
00:54:14,170 --> 00:54:11,720
want there to be an end at some but it's

1277
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:14,180
going to be a choice I mean there are

1278
00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:17,540
really really smart scientists out there

1279
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:19,070
that are saying though that we're within

1280
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:21,110
a hundred years of immortality because

1281
00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:23,990
we you know we should be able to upload

1282
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:26,360
our memories and consciousness and just

1283
00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:28,580
put it into another body but it would

1284
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:30,350
always be a choice you could just die

1285
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:32,690
and not do it well that would be you

1286
00:54:36,550 --> 00:54:34,610
know the future I'm sure there's a

1287
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,560
sci-fi movie out there that explores

1288
00:54:42,220 --> 00:54:39,680
this notion of taking your brain putting

1289
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:42,230
it onto a disk or a hard drive or you

1290
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:44,270
know transferring it and then in the

1291
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:46,550
meantime making a clone of your own body

1292
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:49,460
so that when you die your brain and disk

1293
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:51,590
is transferred to the younger version of

1294
00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:54,260
yourself then you're still able to keep

1295
00:54:59,710 --> 00:54:57,619
going on no thanks you know 100 years

1296
00:55:02,020 --> 00:54:59,720
ago cloning a sheep would have been the

1297
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:02,030
height of science fantasy and silliness

1298
00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:04,970
but now we do it so you know 100 years

1299
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:08,390
from now climbing you know every cell in

1300
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:10,850
your body has a hole you in it now

1301
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:12,980
fortunately when you skin your knee and

1302
00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:15,320
you need to make new nice can there's

1303
00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:18,440
there's RNA there's messenger RNA that

1304
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:20,750
says just make nice skin don't make a

1305
00:55:26,859 --> 00:55:23,270
whole new art you know that stick out of

1306
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:26,869
my knee but you can take those cells you

1307
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:30,020
can wash away that RNA and then you got

1308
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:31,850
everything you need to make whatever it

1309
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:33,710
is i mean i'm pretty sure they're going

1310
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:35,750
to make this woolly mammoth if you know

1311
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:39,020
that seems like they have viable DNA all

1312
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:40,850
they have to do is take whatever tissue

1313
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,940
it came from and clean out the the

1314
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:45,920
material that would tell legit to just

1315
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:46,710
be an eye

1316
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:49,320
or a Tony or something rare you believe

1317
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,450
yeah they're yeah they're actually gonna

1318
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,280
do Jurassic Park I mean it's essentially

1319
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:54,720
the same thing they're gonna actually

1320
00:56:00,380 --> 00:55:56,790
claw boy well it doesn't it doesn't

1321
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:00,390
strike me as I mean I'm not in that

1322
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,030
field but it doesn't strike me is that

1323
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:05,460
is something that's that difficult well

1324
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,470
firstly the amazing things they're doing

1325
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:10,020
with 3d printers these days you can only

1326
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,359
imagine how much further that's going to

1327
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,400
go I mean they're they're making hearts

1328
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:16,859
and organs the printing them and then

1329
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:18,450
they're going to be able to use them it

1330
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:21,150
within you know within people spot like

1331
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,400
they're not going to in in 20 years from

1332
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:25,200
now they might not need hearts from

1333
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:27,780
people's bodies they'll be able to print

1334
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:30,420
new heart and put that into someone's

1335
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:31,800
body if they need a heart transplant

1336
00:56:37,099 --> 00:56:35,070
yeah oh yeah so as a frame like a frame

1337
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,109
of a kidney and if you put the right

1338
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,119
kind of tissue on it like stem cell

1339
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:41,220
tissue it's just again like we're

1340
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:43,560
talking about earlier it just seems to

1341
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:46,760
know what to do and it makes a kidney

1342
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,609
yeah so Neutron just to say what we're

1343
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,800
all talking about here it says yes I'm

1344
00:57:00,859 --> 00:56:54,960
kidding keeping memory forever living

1345
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:00,869
very a cultic IMHO remote about our

1346
00:57:07,099 --> 00:57:04,050
souls that seek many experiences not

1347
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,109
only not one only and to do so needs

1348
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:09,420
life and death when I'll see it that's

1349
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,270
up the I mean I'm Catholic the religious

1350
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,920
part of me says well how would you copy

1351
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:15,540
a soul and I don't have an answer for

1352
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:17,849
that right you need that's something

1353
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,000
that you might copy a prime oisin like

1354
00:57:26,060 --> 00:57:23,820
solace person so yeah good for you

1355
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:26,070
Neutron that's an excellent point and I

1356
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,570
agree wit and I agree with him by the

1357
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,000
way or her whatever it is but yeah

1358
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,920
that's that's exactly my point is like

1359
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:33,839
life and death is part of the entire

1360
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,849
journey in the cycle and who knows maybe

1361
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,160
we will go to clone the first person and

1362
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:40,200
it just won't work and that will be that

1363
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:42,330
but or you'll have an organic machine

1364
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:45,330
yeah and that's essentially what what

1365
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:47,970
that will dominate our that well in that

1366
00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:49,740
case you're not you you're not a clone

1367
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,230
you're no you're not you your organic

1368
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:54,540
machine you are a replicate your a

1369
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,220
digital copy you know for all intents

1370
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,500
and purposes if if a lot of you is your

1371
00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:59,280
soul or what we

1372
00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:00,990
call so I don't know how we're going to

1373
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:03,360
save that kind of information but to

1374
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,690
save information you know that neurons

1375
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:09,000
produce that shouldn't be that should be

1376
00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:11,580
doable but the rest of it gets a little

1377
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,030
fuzzy or maybe the soul is in the brain

1378
00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:17,640
and then you could transfer it over who

1379
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:21,000
knows but now we're speculating we're in

1380
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:22,800
the speculation mode which is ok I think

1381
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:25,170
it's you know it's fun to speculate with

1382
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:28,770
a psychologist now now Eric there's a

1383
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:31,830
lot of really cool stuff with psychology

1384
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:34,260
and that sort of mapping the brain and

1385
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:37,470
reading reading a lot into how what

1386
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:40,890
human behavior is but there is sort of

1387
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:45,540
this line between studying like like

1388
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:50,550
theory of I guess how should I put this

1389
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,250
there's their psychology and then

1390
00:58:59,810 --> 00:58:56,400
there's the theory of human existence

1391
00:59:01,280 --> 00:58:59,820
and oh there's a good word for it it's

1392
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:01,290
just slipping it's on the tip of my

1393
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,490
tongue but we sort of crossover do you

1394
00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:07,980
find that there's a lot of crossover

1395
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:10,800
between yes and it's and it's

1396
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:14,070
troublesome yeah so it is troublesome so

1397
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:16,350
you like to look at things sort of in

1398
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:19,770
two separate plates not not take both of

1399
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:22,170
those plates and put them in your like I

1400
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:23,130
did at the beginning of the program

1401
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:24,660
where I said you know we would have a

1402
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:26,850
balloon mark paranormal and blow up a

1403
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:28,650
balloon marked psychology and let them

1404
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:30,930
touch I'm interested in that point where

1405
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:32,490
they touch but I'm not interested in

1406
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:36,210
making the two balloons the same gotcha

1407
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:38,790
because I and that's because of my

1408
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:42,090
personal limitations may be brilliant

1409
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:43,500
people out there that can do it but I

1410
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:45,210
can well hey man I don't want to have my

1411
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:47,130
pumpkin pie on the same plate as my

1412
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,770
turkey during thanksgiving either yeah

1413
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:54,720
yeah but I but I'm amazed that you know

1414
00:59:59,240 --> 00:59:57,570
just what we've done in the past 50

1415
01:00:02,210 --> 00:59:59,250
years and certainly in the last hundred

1416
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:02,220
years and you know immediately we

1417
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:03,990
haven't had psychology that long just

1418
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:06,570
sense barely since the late 1800s and

1419
01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:08,610
even then it was laughed at it's going

1420
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:10,080
to be an exciting next fifty hundred

1421
01:00:14,330 --> 01:00:11,730
years that's for sure yeah I wish

1422
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:14,340
here for there was something that you

1423
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,119
had mentioned in our last episode of

1424
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:19,680
truth funders that radio that you

1425
01:00:26,530 --> 01:00:24,150
visited which was that in all the new

1426
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:26,540
textbooks they had officially taken out

1427
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,980
parapsychology as one of the chapters or

1428
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,440
one of the sessions on psychology class

1429
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:33,720
rooms so has there been any development

1430
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:36,750
on that as has there been any feedback

1431
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:39,780
or have people sort of rebelled against

1432
01:00:44,570 --> 01:00:41,550
that has there been any chatter online

1433
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:44,580
or is it dead like do you see that it's

1434
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:46,830
it's dead because it's it's that for now

1435
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,050
it is that for now because you said that

1436
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:51,180
kids in the classroom are interested in

1437
01:00:57,500 --> 01:00:54,170
this they are um do you think there's a

1438
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:57,510
reason why they took out parapsychology

1439
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,680
do you think there's some ulterior

1440
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:00,900
motive or conspiracy theory about it now

1441
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:03,660
or took it out is because you know what

1442
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:05,400
when you write a textbook every

1443
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:07,170
statement of fact you make has to be

1444
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:08,730
backed up by some piece of research

1445
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:11,369
that's why the reference sections almost

1446
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,359
as big as the book and you know I I read

1447
01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,520
an article once at you know that was the

1448
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,020
article was specifically on why are

1449
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:21,119
there no pair of psychology programs and

1450
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,970
the author said you know that you know

1451
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:25,740
the put it succinctly nothing paranormal

1452
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,830
has ever happened in a lab we just we've

1453
01:01:34,460 --> 01:01:31,740
tried and tried and tried and we get

1454
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:34,470
nothing it does but it does not mean

1455
01:01:39,050 --> 01:01:36,330
that people will stopped working on it

1456
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:39,060
they're stars still psychologists

1457
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,070
studying paranormal but they're doing it

1458
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:42,720
on their own in small groups you

1459
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:44,220
certainly can't get a degree in it

1460
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:46,800
there's still the odd laboratory here

1461
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:48,930
and there but you know these are often

1462
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:52,260
funded by the psychologists themselves

1463
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,330
or you know they steal a little piece of

1464
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,490
funding from over here but you're not

1465
01:02:01,160 --> 01:01:59,220
going to apply to NIH and get funding

1466
01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:01,170
you're not likely to get funding for

1467
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:03,470
people so so what would your argument be

1468
01:02:09,830 --> 01:02:07,470
in order to keep parapsychology in the

1469
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:09,840
textbooks or if you were trying to get a

1470
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:11,609
grant I guess you wouldn't try to get a

1471
01:02:16,580 --> 01:02:13,740
grant because you're you know that could

1472
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:16,590
ruin your reputation quote unquote but

1473
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:20,010
but if you had to argue in order to get

1474
01:02:24,590 --> 01:02:23,130
a grant or to keep it in the textbooks

1475
01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:24,600
what would you say or what would your

1476
01:02:28,070 --> 01:02:25,590
argument be

1477
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:28,080
well they're my own personal argument I

1478
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:29,430
don't know how well this would go down

1479
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:31,380
and publish is that if you can imagine

1480
01:02:37,850 --> 01:02:34,710
it it's probably possible and and and we

1481
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:37,860
should explore everything because you

1482
01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:40,890
know that while this seems unlikely at

1483
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:43,940
some point we worked on it and our

1484
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:46,470
methodology might simply have been wrong

1485
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:50,610
and and we shouldn't stop because 100

1486
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:52,590
years from now 20 years from now some of

1487
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:53,460
these things are going to be

1488
01:02:56,810 --> 01:02:55,380
run-of-the-mill and we're going to look

1489
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:56,820
back and say wow we shouldn't have

1490
01:03:00,380 --> 01:02:58,500
pulled it out of the textbooks but I

1491
01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:00,390
have absolutely no input in textbooks

1492
01:03:06,110 --> 01:03:03,150
like I review them sometimes provide

1493
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:06,120
feedback but not in terms of you know

1494
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:08,040
like putting a holes and that was never

1495
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:09,900
a chapter it was a few pages in a

1496
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:14,280
chapter and do you have like any special

1497
01:03:18,380 --> 01:03:16,020
day in your class where you teach one

1498
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,390
day a pair of psychology or just talk

1499
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:20,880
about it or the idea about it I always

1500
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:22,710
find it in towards the end when we talk

1501
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:26,970
about abnormal psychology and usually

1502
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:28,770
because it intersects I mean you know

1503
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:30,300
some people that are very very

1504
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,330
disordered have bizarre gifts and you

1505
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:35,460
know I explain that and then that kind

1506
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:37,560
of lenses leads us into a discuss thats

1507
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:40,170
a whole lot of paranormal stuff oh yeah

1508
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:43,740
there's there's a lot with people that

1509
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:48,480
are uh-oh what's what's the autistic you

1510
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:49,980
know they say that people who are

1511
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:52,050
autistic some of them can have really

1512
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:55,130
incredible gifts um I'm almost every

1513
01:04:01,820 --> 01:03:58,560
autistic person I worked with had some

1514
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:01,830
slight at least savant ability but some

1515
01:04:06,980 --> 01:04:04,920
of them had incredible abilities and

1516
01:04:09,610 --> 01:04:06,990
like what I would yeah as you say was

1517
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:09,620
some specific examples of the incredible

1518
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:12,720
l11 young man lays young dummies in his

1519
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:15,840
early 20s he's a human mapquest and I

1520
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:17,370
and he just started with Frederick

1521
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:19,850
County where we live but he's probably

1522
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:23,400
out a diameter of thousands of miles you

1523
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:25,470
can give him any two points and he'll

1524
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:27,210
tell you how to get there and he'll also

1525
01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:29,010
tell you all the buildings you'll pass

1526
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:30,980
and what year they were constructed and

1527
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:33,570
and and he'll do that as fast as you

1528
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:36,510
answer the question not another one does

1529
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:39,330
complex math in his head

1530
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:42,210
a third one you give him any date in

1531
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:43,650
history he'll tell you what day of the

1532
01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:46,590
week it was before you you know like

1533
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,360
when i told him i was born in january

1534
01:04:54,260 --> 01:04:51,480
first 1958 the eighth was still on the

1535
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:54,270
air when he said Wednesday I'd explained

1536
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,180
that you know and then I and I'm getting

1537
01:05:01,460 --> 01:04:59,520
ready to meet with a student when the

1538
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:01,470
semester is over she won the writer

1539
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:03,570
paper on synesthesia and I said why and

1540
01:05:07,580 --> 01:05:05,370
she says because I have some of that

1541
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:07,590
well I have never met a student who's

1542
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:10,710
had synesthesia so should I don't even

1543
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:12,210
know that is I'm going to find quarter

1544
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:14,790
sessions and I'm very precise I don't

1545
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:16,950
even know that is it's it's when it

1546
01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:22,320
synesthesia is when senses get a

1547
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:25,620
co-mingled so a person like that there's

1548
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:27,510
this there's this kid that just did I

1549
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:32,490
don't know twenty one thousand units of

1550
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:35,460
pie but to him it's just watching a

1551
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:37,710
train go by each car is a different

1552
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,240
color in each color is a different

1553
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,160
number so there's two things going on

1554
01:05:46,430 --> 01:05:44,040
first of all his brain is using color to

1555
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:46,440
do numbers but second of all something's

1556
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:50,190
calculating pi and he can't tell you so

1557
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:52,680
you know people with synesthesia might

1558
01:06:01,520 --> 01:05:58,920
taste colors they might hear colors so

1559
01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:01,530
their senses get commingled or they flip

1560
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:04,950
flop there there there's I was reading

1561
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:07,890
about a synesthetic person who a certain

1562
01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:10,800
sound to him tastes like yeah I'm going

1563
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:13,080
to be silly tasted when he hears a sound

1564
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:15,240
at tastes like he's eating cow poop so

1565
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:16,920
he has to make sure he never hears that

1566
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:19,890
salary gags that's so weird because they

1567
01:06:25,850 --> 01:06:23,700
know it you can experience that yourself

1568
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:25,860
in some ways and maybe maybe this is

1569
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:30,090
totally not right but there is a fruit

1570
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:32,700
and I think it's from the jungles of

1571
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:35,310
like the Amazon it's called a super

1572
01:06:40,610 --> 01:06:38,010
fruit and what it does is you eat it and

1573
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:40,620
it changes your perception of what taste

1574
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:43,530
is in your mouth sorry I've had it

1575
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:45,210
before it's good stuff so things that

1576
01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:47,970
are sweet are actually completely sour a

1577
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:49,470
lot of things that are sour are

1578
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:52,230
completely sweet and I actually order

1579
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:53,670
this stuff

1580
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:56,640
from the internet and I got it I got it

1581
01:07:00,260 --> 01:06:58,170
for a halloween party i thought it would

1582
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:00,270
be really fun if everyone tried this

1583
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,720
super super food so everybody you know

1584
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:05,520
took some of this stuff and i laid out

1585
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:08,940
on the table chocolate and coffee and

1586
01:07:13,579 --> 01:07:10,890
just different things that you could try

1587
01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:13,589
and sure enough like you're expecting to

1588
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,760
get something completely sour with this

1589
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,200
lemon and it was a serious thing I had

1590
01:07:26,109 --> 01:07:21,900
ever tasted yeah so somehow momentarily

1591
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:26,119
confuses the neurons and your tongue and

1592
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:29,250
you know it acts as agonists in some

1593
01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:31,559
places and anti yeah that that makes

1594
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:32,819
sense to me i mean i've done that

1595
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:35,670
certainly makes sense i know i want to

1596
01:07:41,329 --> 01:07:37,859
try it yes all right probably do the

1597
01:07:43,220 --> 01:07:41,339
hell was it called so okay I'll off put

1598
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:43,230
it on Facebook but it was like a it's

1599
01:07:46,819 --> 01:07:45,030
called a super fruit I believe that was

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01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,829
what it was called and you get these

1601
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:48,630
little pills and you you bite them and

1602
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:50,819
chew them and they you know it coats

1603
01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:52,859
your tongue and you have this along and

1604
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,430
it lasts for about maybe 10 or 15

1605
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:58,140
minutes that's it and then it dissolves

1606
01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:00,599
and how how they discovered it was they

1607
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:02,940
were looking for something like sugar

1608
01:08:06,980 --> 01:08:05,369
that they could substitute instead of

1609
01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:06,990
sugar because it was back in the days

1610
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,819
when they were creating nutrasweet and

1611
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:11,280
equal and things like that and so they

1612
01:08:16,220 --> 01:08:12,990
came upon this fruit and they used it

1613
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:16,230
and you know they decided to not use it

1614
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:18,900
because it had this effects but um but

1615
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,839
yeah it's uh it's really it's incredible

1616
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:24,540
it's a lot of fun to you know just for a

1617
01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:28,859
gag or you you know can do put it give

1618
01:08:34,249 --> 01:08:31,350
it to a friend and tell them to to try

1619
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:34,259
it and just freaked them out different

1620
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,850
piece of chocolate or so I'm gonna look

1621
01:08:40,519 --> 01:08:37,799
this up this is really cool yeah you

1622
01:08:42,979 --> 01:08:40,529
don't you do a like some sort of

1623
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:42,989
psychological experiments on it too oh

1624
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:45,210
no just trying to figure out you know

1625
01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:49,770
how how it reacts and that might reacts

1626
01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:51,270
when you give people like psychedelic

1627
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:53,339
mushrooms as well also probably a good

1628
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,130
study you know when you have when you

1629
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,560
take psychoactive things like the

1630
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:00,719
hallucinogens you you certainly

1631
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,199
temporarily and do synesthesia yes

1632
01:09:07,690 --> 01:09:06,540
absolutely I would I as a first-hand

1633
01:09:10,730 --> 01:09:07,700
experience or

1634
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:10,740
but other people this is their life for

1635
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:12,390
some of them it's pleasant for some of

1636
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,190
them they say it's quite unpleasant I

1637
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:16,980
put the link to it on Amazon in the chat

1638
01:09:20,769 --> 01:09:19,020
room so if everybody goes to the chat

1639
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:20,779
room right now you can go ahead and

1640
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:26,430
Holocaust um ten dollars no not bad and

1641
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:28,770
there was a you know an article about it

1642
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:31,980
in The New York Times as well which is

1643
01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:33,930
pretty cool and i'll go ahead and post

1644
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:35,670
that in the chat room and it's safe it

1645
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,400
is safe yes yeah it's called miracle

1646
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:40,500
fruit just what it's called that M

1647
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:46,319
Barrie um I man in burial yeah I guess

1648
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:50,190
it's called since a poem dull kifek come

1649
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:52,980
that's a scientific name for it doesn't

1650
01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:55,620
have any bad side effects no bad side

1651
01:10:01,340 --> 01:09:57,870
effects okay yep it was it was great it

1652
01:10:05,540 --> 01:10:01,350
temporarily they say temporarily rewires

1653
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:05,550
so carried out dropped a large dollop of

1654
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:08,040
lemon sorbet into a glass Guinness

1655
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:10,050
stirred it drank it and proclaimed

1656
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:12,270
tasted like a chocolate shake so that

1657
01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:13,950
was something that I noticed too i drank

1658
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:16,830
a beer and taste of like chocolate so if

1659
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:19,620
you ever trying to guzzle guzzle beer

1660
01:10:23,690 --> 01:10:21,870
it's a good way to eat the super fruit

1661
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,700
and then you can pound some beer and it

1662
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,920
will taste like chocolate is it is it

1663
01:10:30,650 --> 01:10:28,800
uniform well everyone that eats a lemon

1664
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:30,660
taste chocolate or does it vary from

1665
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:33,810
person apart it's fairly uniform i'm

1666
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:37,800
pretty sure it's pretty pretty uniform

1667
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:39,570
pretty much same across the board yeah

1668
01:10:42,710 --> 01:10:41,250
everyone's her dress we should try it

1669
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:42,720
you know we should do is we should order

1670
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:44,730
a bunch of it including with eric and

1671
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:45,960
then once we all get some delivery in a

1672
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:47,250
few weeks come back and do it live on

1673
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:48,630
the air together we should set up a

1674
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,370
whole yeah aren't doing a taste

1675
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:52,560
experiment and then you know we can we

1676
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:54,690
can decide in advance what we want to

1677
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:56,070
have ready to go then we shall do it on

1678
01:11:01,640 --> 01:10:59,100
the air oh yeah I think that'd be a

1679
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:01,650
great idea all right great all right

1680
01:11:09,710 --> 01:11:05,730
well it's a date but in that case you're

1681
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:09,720
simply rewiring a single um sense as

1682
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:12,420
opposed to sort of a flight conflating

1683
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:14,670
them well there's also things like I

1684
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:17,970
mean uh you know I don't know how from

1685
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:18,610
there

1686
01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:19,810
you are Eric with these sorts of things

1687
01:11:25,609 --> 01:11:23,619
but it's um oh god what the hell is it

1688
01:11:28,649 --> 01:11:25,619
called it's not some team it's it's uh

1689
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:28,659
stevia sativa yeah the crap that you

1690
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:30,460
that you can like smoke and it takes you

1691
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,330
on a very berry o salvia salvia that's

1692
01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:35,920
what I'm looking for no I've not heard

1693
01:11:39,899 --> 01:11:38,020
of that oh you've never heard of salvia

1694
01:11:42,959 --> 01:11:39,909
ok this is now should look into it

1695
01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:42,969
basically is a substance organic

1696
01:11:48,689 --> 01:11:45,340
substance that you can smoke essentially

1697
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:48,699
and it will take you on a 90 second to

1698
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:53,250
roughly three minute very very intense

1699
01:11:59,129 --> 01:11:55,840
psychedelic trip that I'm a lot of

1700
01:12:01,140 --> 01:11:59,139
phobic of hallucinating well it's um

1701
01:12:03,810 --> 01:12:01,150
it's definitely something that people

1702
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:03,820
have I mean kids right it's legal you

1703
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:06,150
can buy this over there it's totally

1704
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,580
accessible and there's a never-ending

1705
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:12,280
plethora of YouTube videos of kids that

1706
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:14,790
try smoking this stuff and end up

1707
01:12:21,149 --> 01:12:18,570
experiencing very weird sense swaps in

1708
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:21,159
in the sense that we're talking about

1709
01:12:26,459 --> 01:12:24,820
right now that I think is also along the

1710
01:12:28,649 --> 01:12:26,469
same lines of discussion but in a much

1711
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:28,659
more extreme way I don't you know with

1712
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,580
marks superfood I don't think that

1713
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:33,280
you're you're transferring your your

1714
01:12:36,959 --> 01:12:34,810
consciousness to a different plane like

1715
01:12:40,169 --> 01:12:36,969
you might do with the salvia but same

1716
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:40,179
type of stuff by the way Carol and the

1717
01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:42,550
chat room just pointed out that on the

1718
01:12:47,959 --> 01:12:46,300
air tastes good and I are cool yeah so I

1719
01:12:51,419 --> 01:12:47,969
think that's a compliment we taste good

1720
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,429
yeah she was getting his test I see what

1721
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,280
she's no she's she's she's making a

1722
01:12:58,410 --> 01:12:55,840
topical joke is what she's doing things

1723
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,420
listening to us tastes very nicely yeah

1724
01:13:04,919 --> 01:13:00,159
this is a tasty radio show Thank You

1725
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:04,929
Carol thank you also so um before before

1726
01:13:08,459 --> 01:13:06,730
we get going I know we're coming close

1727
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:08,469
to the end of the show now I want

1728
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:11,520
everybody to really quickly go to ww

1729
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:15,010
truth funders calm and on the front page

1730
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,610
you will see Eric's um Eric's truth

1731
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:20,560
funders project and it's still going you

1732
01:13:24,689 --> 01:13:23,020
know he started it a couple months ago

1733
01:13:26,189 --> 01:13:24,699
and he's raised a little bit of money I

1734
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:26,199
think he's up to close to two hundred

1735
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,110
dollars now yeah and his his goal is not

1736
01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:32,080
that that big I think it's uh

1737
01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:34,240
like a thousand thirteen hundred bucks

1738
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:37,030
something along those lines so if

1739
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:38,860
everybody goes that's listening to the

1740
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,110
show or downloads the podcast donates

1741
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:44,080
five dollars donates ten dollars you

1742
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:46,330
know literally if everyone who listened

1743
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,760
to this show donated five dollars he

1744
01:13:52,230 --> 01:13:50,560
would completely be on his way and be

1745
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:52,240
able to do this test and we could bring

1746
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:54,190
him back on because he is a friend of

1747
01:13:58,620 --> 01:13:55,930
the show because he is a friend of irn

1748
01:14:01,920 --> 01:13:58,630
now and has his has a show he could talk

1749
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:01,930
about the project and the results that

1750
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:04,150
he's getting and not only that we talked

1751
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:07,210
about Zener cards and how you know you

1752
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:09,190
can do some really cool experiments with

1753
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:11,860
them I'm trying for trying to get other

1754
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:14,410
people to guess what's on the card and

1755
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:16,980
they're actually you know branded

1756
01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:20,020
special Zener cards for psychology

1757
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:22,540
experiments about ten dollars on Amazon

1758
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:24,910
yeah and and so if you don't if you

1759
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,310
donate to his project is twenty-five

1760
01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:29,820
dollars for the donation you can get

1761
01:14:34,980 --> 01:14:32,920
Zener cards so yeah you could spend ten

1762
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,990
dollars on Amazon and get your own pack

1763
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:36,880
but if you spend 25 you're actually

1764
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:38,860
donating to a great cause and you're

1765
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:41,950
helping out Eric and you know it's

1766
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:43,660
something we all believe in its trying

1767
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,660
to figure out you know does ESP exist

1768
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:48,640
and you heard him here on the show you

1769
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:51,490
know you they're getting rid of all the

1770
01:14:56,850 --> 01:14:53,590
stuff from the textbooks parapsychology

1771
01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:56,860
is going going the wayside so it's up to

1772
01:15:00,810 --> 01:14:59,110
us as a community to kind of keep it

1773
01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:00,820
going and show that we have interest in

1774
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:03,790
it so I beg all of you in the listening

1775
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:05,500
public listen you're to thunders radio

1776
01:15:10,890 --> 01:15:07,780
to please check out his project it's

1777
01:15:13,770 --> 01:15:10,900
it's so easy to go there it's so easy to

1778
01:15:18,420 --> 01:15:13,780
donate and it's it's on the front page

1779
01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:18,430
you can't miss it ESP very very front

1780
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:20,500
page so um did you want to say anything

1781
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:22,300
about your project do you ever mentioned

1782
01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:25,080
your project on your radio show Eric uh

1783
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:30,160
no I haven't yet I'm going to and maybe

1784
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:33,130
when you are or let's see you guys are

1785
01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:34,570
on this country are coming on this

1786
01:15:40,020 --> 01:15:38,260
sunday um yeah yeah we'd be happy be

1787
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,030
happy I wasn't shot wasn't sure if we

1788
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:42,640
picked a date but that might be a good

1789
01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:45,070
time but I do i do talk about my

1790
01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:45,820
students

1791
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:49,030
they're very excited about it and you

1792
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,730
know they want more experiments about I

1793
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,640
need a little more equipment to toe

1794
01:15:59,130 --> 01:15:57,280
because it needs to be scientific I need

1795
01:16:03,060 --> 01:15:59,140
to rule out things that could better

1796
01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:03,070
explain the effect and do you ever dear

1797
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:05,470
students ever listen to the show yes

1798
01:16:09,690 --> 01:16:08,110
they do because I especially my social

1799
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:09,700
psych students are they it would

1800
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:12,040
actually be any way to incorporate your

1801
01:16:18,690 --> 01:16:15,510
class into a more like expanded you know

1802
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:18,700
way of teaching by having it wasn't of a

1803
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:22,090
show we did you did you enter a haunted

1804
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:24,910
house you sound very echoey art yeah you

1805
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:32,050
do I'm at a church actually alright so

1806
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:34,330
go so so yeah Eric I think art was

1807
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:36,160
asking you know it's a good way to

1808
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,810
incorporate the stuff into your

1809
01:16:41,820 --> 01:16:39,760
classroom do you ever so you do talk

1810
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:41,830
about it to the studio yeah you talk

1811
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:44,080
about the show in class because they

1812
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:46,660
usually bring it up I've showed them my

1813
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:48,760
site I've showed them truth funders site

1814
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:51,540
I've explained what truth funders does

1815
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,640
and I do that every semester i have i

1816
01:16:59,460 --> 01:16:56,800
have about 200 students a semester and

1817
01:17:02,030 --> 01:16:59,470
about a hundred and the summer so that's

1818
01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:02,040
500 people you're getting exposed to it

1819
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:05,680
that's so fantastic i'm so glad here and

1820
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,870
you know we can't thank you enough and

1821
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:09,760
we're so proud and so happy that you

1822
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:11,650
have a show on the inception radio

1823
01:17:17,490 --> 01:17:15,280
network well thank you i do not you yeah

1824
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:17,500
well you owe to yourself you're the one

1825
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:20,410
who did it and it didn't when I heard

1826
01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:22,690
about it I was just I was all smiles

1827
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:25,260
stop that that's great thank you yeah

1828
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:27,370
well with that I think we need to wrap

1829
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:30,850
up here and thank you so much for Eric

1830
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:31,840
for coming on this week and we

1831
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:33,370
definitely want to do our taste test at

1832
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:35,110
some point here so we'll make a point

1833
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:37,120
idea that happened at some point my name

1834
01:17:39,900 --> 01:17:38,710
is our web for martial arts mark do

1835
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:39,910
anything you want to add because we were

1836
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:42,190
at the very end of the clock here so no

1837
01:17:47,130 --> 01:17:44,230
it's ready to rock check us out on

1838
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:47,140
Facebook Twitter all that good stuff at

1839
01:17:52,530 --> 01:17:50,290
truth funders and then um yeah visit our

1840
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:52,540
website and you know help out some of

1841
01:17:55,410 --> 01:17:54,130
the people creating some projects we are

1842
01:17:56,940 --> 01:17:55,420
out of time for this week thank you so

1843
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:56,950
much Eric Williams truth thunders calm

1844
01:17:59,700 --> 01:17:58,570
my name is art web for mark schwartz we

1845
01:18:02,970 --> 01:17:59,710
will talk to you next week